Monday, October 20, 2008

September Fundraising, Advantage: Obama

For all you Obama donors out there, that donation therapy (give $5 to Obama whenever you get angry or depressed about something McCain-Palin has done/said) is working. You'll be seeing lots more of our fave candidate on TV I'm betting--even before his Oct 29 primetime appearance-- because over the weekend, Obama's camp released their official fundraising and spending numbers and according to today's Wall Street Journal, "Sen. Barack Obama set a new record for presidential fund raising in September, with more than $150 million in contributions, [McCain took public financing of $84 million, leaving him a good, but not astronomical $47 million to spend in the next two weeks. --MEH] allowing him to swamp Republican rival Sen. John McCain in spending on advertising and organizing in the final days of the campaign. The Democratic candidate's one-month figure is nearly double what Sen. McCain received in public financing for the final two months of the campaign. That nearly doubles the previous fund-raising record of $375 million for a full campaign cycle set by President George W. Bush in 2004. And Sen. Obama has one more month of fund raising to go. In a video emailed to supporters Sunday morning, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe admonished donors to keep giving. "We're always on the lookout for expansion," he said.

Of course, McCain can't pass up the opportunity to imply that there's something shady going on besides folks liking the Other Guy better. "Sen. McCain, appearing Sunday morning on Fox News, portrayed the report more darkly, repeatedly referring to the Watergate scandal, saying that was the kind of corruption that comes as the result of unlimited funds. 'The dam is broken. We're now going to see huge amounts of money coming into political campaigns, and we know history tells us that always leads to scandal.'"I don't know if I'd bring up Watergate if I were him. Might make people ask where McCain's "pal" Gordon Liddy is these days.

I love it--now that the Democrat is the one wielding the fatter bank account, suddenly folks on the other side are railing about how "elections are not auctions." I guess it's only okay if you use your wife's money to buy elections.

And I so love Wonkette's delightful Snark-fest: "Since Barack Obama has a full 137.99% of the entire world's supply of dollars, John McCain now finds himself at a financial disadvantage! He's stuck with a pauper's sum of $84 million in [*aristocratic shudder*] "public" funds, which is what Joe the Plumber makes in one hour. In other words, John McCain now knows what it's like to be a Welfare Queen, and it's not as fun as Ronald Reagan made it out to be. What's a broke presidential nominee to do when he can't legally raise funds for his campaign, accept private donations above $2,300, or accept donations from foreigners? Answer: raise funds for his campaign by asking Russians to privately donate $5,000 sums which he will accept. Do loopholes justify this? Eh, maybe, but when you get caught doing this sort of thing it's safer to just call it a mistake. That's what the McCain campaign has apparently been doing, illegally sending fundraising letters to illegal Russian donors asking them for illegal amounts of money. " Uh....Hello??? What??

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Thursday, October 16, 2008

These Pumps Are Made for Walkin'

Last week, Cindy said that she wants Obama to walk a mile in her $475 Taryn Rose pumps. "I would suggest that Sen. Obama change shoes with me for just one day, and see what it means, and see what it means to have a loved one serving in the armed forces, and more importantly, serving in harms way," she said at a rally last Wednesday in Bethlehem PA. (If you want, you could skip your health insurance payment for a month and buy the Cali's for $380 now on Zappos.) Does that come with the houses and extra cars too?


ANYway, Diane Tucker at HuffPo reports that it didn't go down well with military wives, who wonder if Cindy would swap those pumps for their workaday wear. "When millionaires such as Cindy McCain act as if they understand our lives, and the lives of everyday military families and veterans, we get upset," said Stephanie Himel-Nelson, deputy director of outreach for Blue Star Families for Obama.

Tucker adds for good measure: "For the record Mrs. McCain: The non-partisan group Disabled American Veterans gives John McCain a 20 percent rating for his voting record on veterans' issues. (It gives Barack Obama an 80 percent rating.) The non-partisan group Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gives McCain a "D" grade for his voting record on issues such as additional funding for combat body armor, and additional funding for post-traumatic stress disorder and other medical treatment. (Obama earned a B +.)"

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Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Social Insecurity Edition

Everyone, center yourself in your Temple of Positivity...Go on and find it. I'll wait. You'll need it, 'cause the Fed just committed $85 billion of your tax dollars to bailing out AIG.

Yup, that's billion with a "b." I like how the "billions" just rack up as if every billion was just pocket change-- "How much was it? Oh, $40 or $85 billion...." Sunday, they were looking for a $40 billion bridge loan. Monday they were trying to get JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs (Goldman? Really? Don't they have enough to worry about on their own??) to cobble together $75 billion to help tide them over. Tonight, after two tense days, with FedHead Bernanke (there he is, Mary Ann!) and Cashbox Secretary Paulson looking grim, they get $85 billion. Extra, you know, just in case they need a little pizza money. Oh, I see what the problem was-- they weren't asking for enough money!

Earlier in the day, McCain came out strong about not using taxpayer dollars to bail out AIG. Now let me just say here (and I wrote this yesterday morning, before the bailout news), I'm not exactly in favor of taxpayer money being used to prop up organizations mired in despair-laden pits of their own making (as is probably clear from my last rant). But it's easy to say, "Oh, we can't have taxpayer dollars going to a bailout!" when you're not the one making the decision in the moment.

AIG is the 18th largest corporation in the world, with holdings that include not just financial services, asset management and life insurance, but telecommunications and market-making. I looked them up on Wikipedia (And only learned this week that AIG stand for "American International Group." Sexy, no?) . They are the world's largest leasers of aircraft, and the largest underwriters of commercial and industrial insurance in America and having them head into bankruptcy does not affect just the US and Wall Street, it moves into world markets. So I think it's a little too pat of McCain to just come out with the easy statement when examining a situation this complicated. I don't claim to understand what's going on, but I think I understand enough to know there are no simplistic answers.

The little elves in the "Ad-making" workshop must work overtime on days like these. Obama's campaign already has an ad out attacking McCain's statement about the "fundamentals of the economy" being sound.
Meantime, McCain clarifies what he meant he thought he was about to try to say: "Well it's obviously true that the workers of America are the fundamentals of our economy, and our strength and our future,'' he said. "And I believe in the American worker, and someone who disagrees with that – it's fine. We are in crisis. We all know that. The excess, the greed and the corruption of Wall Street have caused us to have a situation which is going to affect every American. We are in a total crisis.''

The New York Times financial columnists have some interesting things to say about how the crisis actually affects the average Joe, so you need to be worried about your 401k or your mutual fund investments? "It also might be time to review your risk tolerance: if you're tempted to move your money around on a difficult day, it might be time to rethink your stock allocation (in other words, you might want to lower it)."

However, just this morning, a major money market fund is warning that depositors could lose money. "The fund said that because the value of some investments had fallen, customers now have only 97 cents for each dollar they had invested.This is only the second time in history that a money market fund has "broken the buck" — that is, reported a share's value was less than a dollar"

Betcha didn't know McCain invented the BlackBerry-- and that was BEFORE he learned to use email....Says the NY Times, in a droll, one-sentence aside: "The original BlackBerrys were made by a Canadian company, Research in Motion."

And on the subject of one of my bugaboos about the "McCain: Hero for All Time" stories, Mary Mitchell points out that if we're being asked to evaluate candidate McCain on his character based on his war-hero years, then we should also be told the the story of the shabby way he treated first-wife Carol. Maybe that's what attracted him to Cindy. Ariel Levy's profile of Cindy McCain in the New Yorker looks at her family matters. "Cindy McCain regularly calls herself an only child. In fact, she has two half sisters: Kathleen Portalski and Dixie Burd, Marguerite's daughter from a previous marriage. 'I feel bad about having a father that wasn't there, and then having my face rubbed in this—having her stand up and say she's an only child—makes it even worse,' Kathleen Portalski told me." Kathleen Portalski visited her father almost every day in the months before his death. When he died, Cindy McCain inherited the Hensley empire; Kathleen Portalski and her family received ten thousand dollars. Stephanie Portalski found that a credit card her grandfather had given her had been cut off days after his death.

PALINDROMES

Oh, ya gotta lot the Brits. Wordplay is just in their blood. Andrew Sullivan, a conservative blogger (actually he's a libertarian conservative, who thinks the Republican Party has lost the true meaning of "conservatism." Ya think?) at The Atlantic has turned out to be no Sarah Palin fan, and is now cataloguing her Palindromes(For the Bridge to Nowhere and against the bridge , for instance) with his series "The Odd Lies of Sarah Palin." See, "palin" in Greek means "reversal," Thus the word "palindrome," a word or phrase that is the same forward as it is reversed. This is what you get if you give people a Classical Education. I know, I know, people have been sending me the piece floating through the Ethernet about how Sarah Palin is a distraction from the real issues, how we shouldn't pay attention to her. How we shouldn't fight her, but fight McCain. And I can easily go with the first and third points. But I can't agree that we shouldn't pay attention to her. She is the symbol of how ignorant the Republicans expect the voting public to be, and she is the warning as to how dangerous a John McCain presidency would be and what kind of man this "War Hero" has become. Says Eugene Robinson: "We're beginning to discern an ambitious, opportunistic politician who makes no bones about rewarding friends and punishing those who stand in her way -- and who believes that truth is nothing more, and nothing less, than what she says it is."

In the Well-Worth-a-Read Dept.: Even the most forgiving conservatives are turning against McCain. Richard Cohen, conservative columnist of the Washington Post writes: "The John McCain of old is unrecognizable. He has become the sort of politician he once despised...His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir -- the person in whose hands he would leave the country -- is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that." Read it--seriously, it's a good piece.

Anyway, on to our Issue of the Day. Given the tanking markets, I thought it might be fun to visit Social Security policy-- and consider the wisdom of privatizing Social Security-- you know, cause we workers have been missing out on putting that money into the stock market and earning those high rates of return.

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Social Security

A recap for those who don't remember: debate has raged over how to fund Social Security because if it continues at current rates, "starting in 2017, program expenses begin to exceed revenues." President Bush has pushed during his second term for a plan in which "up to four percent of taxable wages, up to a maximum of $1000, could be diverted from FICA and voluntarily placed by workers into private accounts for investment.... These personal accounts could be invested in various managed investment funds similar to the government employees' Thrift Savings Plan, in which the investor can choose between Treasury Bills, Corporate bonds and a stock market fund."

  • Barack Obama - His website indicates that he "will work with members of Congress from both parties to strengthen Social Security and prevent privatization while protecting middle class families from tax increases or benefit cuts. As part of a bipartisan plan that would be phased in over many years, he would ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a bit more to Social Security to keep it sound." He has opposed raising the retirement age, privatization, or cutting benefits.
    • opposed President Bush's privatization scheme because it would have undermined -- not strengthened - Social Security. "We should not add greater risk or debt to the system. Otherwise, workers who contribute to the Social Security System may face the prospect of inadequate benefits when they retire or if they become disabled if their investments go sour. Workers have lived up to their end of the bargain. Surely, the federal government can do the same."
    • "Social Security is one of the most important government programs ever created; it provides a vital safety net to millions of seniors and Americans with disabilities...It is a great reflection of our values and commitments, and I want to make sure it is solvent and viable for the American people, now and in the future."
    • "The focus of reform options should be on protecting the basic integrity and fairness of Social Security.... We can close the gap with an equitable mix of benefit and tax changes similar to those recommended by the bipartisan Greenspan Commission in 1983."
  • John McCain - Has indicated resistance to raising taxes, but otherwise is willing to work with a bi-partisan commission to address the program's solvency issues. He has indicated that current benefit promises "cannot be kept," indicating he prefers to reduce benefits at some future date, rather than raising taxes. He supports private accounts as a supplement to Social Security.

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Speaking of electoral votes ('cause you know you were thinking about them...) ever wonder who the electors are and how this electoral college thing works? In case you've blocked it out after the 2000 and 2004 elections, here's an explanation. Basically each state gets the number of electors equivalent to the number of people you have in congress, so the number of representatives in the house, plus two for the number of Senators. The elector selection process varies from state to state, but here's the deal in California, The Democratic Party in CA submits a list of 55 possible electors as does the Republican Party. If Barack Obama wins, the Democratic list of electors gets to go to Electoral College, and if McCain wins (hah!) it;s the Republican list of 55 that goes. Mostly of course, the role is ceremonial. How to become an elector.

A reminder that although they raised $66 million last month (!!), Obama's campaign says their goal is to have 50,000 new donors by Friday at midnight. As I see it, it's about the cash of course, but also a sign to the campaign that there are more people out there than are counted in polls.

P.S. As you might be able to tell, I've been spending some time trying to dull the pain of economic disaster on a humor website called Pundit Kitchen, which is where most of the photos come from.

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Friday, September 5, 2008

Are You Done Yet? Edition

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
-- George Orwell, Animal Farm

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself."
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"), Vol. I

Where oh where to start...? Alcohol, if you please, my good man. And lots of it. No, just bring me the bottles, honey. No, all of them. Line them up. Right. Here.

Sorry for the late start last night, folks. Had to teach and um, missed the McCain acceptance. In real time that is.

Catching up from last night, Joe Biden calls Palin' speech "amazing." Um, question in the back, Mr. Biden...do you mean "amazing" haha? And Barack addresses Palin's attack on Obama's work as a community organizer: "Maybe that's the problem, that's why they're out of touch and they don't get it--cause they haven't spent much time working on behalf of those folks." Oh, and by the way, he's in York, PA. Where he now holds a 3 to 5 point lead. Shhh, don't tell the Republicans.

In another natural disaster/coincidence, of the sort that have dogged the Republican Convention, the GOP 's final convention day has somehow inadvertently fallen on the same night as the NFL season opener. OOOOOooooh. Tough choice! Kickoff or kicked in the groin?

Wonder what was going on behind the scenes at the Convention? Comedian Sara Benincasa's hilarious Palin vlog on Youtube.

Okay, on with the show. They show a video introducing Cindy McCain. There's a bit about how he romanced Cindy Lou and how they both lied about their ages when they met. Uh-huh, this is the guy Cindy will describe not twenty minutes later in her speech as the man "who always speaks the truth, no matter what the cost."

As always at moments like these, I wonder to myself how must John McCain's first wife Carol must feel. McCain and Carol were still married at the time of John's cocktail party romance with Cindy. John and Carol were still married for the six months that he pursued Cindy. He actually got the marriage license to marry Cindy a month before his divorce from Carol was granted. It was such a downright scummy thing to do that even the Reagans cooled their friendship with McCain over it.

Cindy McCain gives The World's Longest Introduction to a Candidate, Who's Already Been Introduced About Six Times in Three Days. Says Cindy, "From its very birth, our party has been grounded in the notion of service, community, self-reliance..." OH, is that like, um...um, "COMMUNITY SERVICE"? Oh right, community service sucks if it's Barack Obama doing it. It only counts if you're a dilettante.

Aww, we should cut her some slack. Given the way Republicans feel about putting underqualified women on the ticket, maybe Cindy should be running. She doesn't have brains, and doesn't know anything about policy (Cindy McCain being interviewed by Katie Couric. No, no, don't skip this one. It's too delicious, if only for the moment when you realize that Cindy has no frakking clue what the phrase "overturn Roe v. Wade" actually means). But she does have the one thing you need: money. Remember that Yellow Slicker with jewels outfit on Tuesday? Vanity Fair says it's worth $300,000. Maybe Cindy should be at the top of the ticket -- this campaign is being run off of her fortune after all. Ever wonder why this boy from Virginia and Annapolis is the Senator from Arizona? Because that's where Cindy's money and family connections are.

But where is our headliner? "Wake up, wake up!!" cries Dennis Kucinich. You're on! I don't have anything pithy to say about this speech to be honest, it's just a recap of the homespun Republican cliches that they've been using since Reagan. If I'm being perfectly frank, I haven't seen the whole speech. I nearly fell asleep watching it, except when the protesters were dragged off. He should thank them. They awakened half his snoozing audience.

Tom Ridge says: "John Bush is very much his own man..." I'll let you just watch this one. I love Freudian slips.

So how much is Mrs. Palin helping John McCain? ABC's new poll tells the story in the ideological center: "Among moderates, Biden registers as a net 15-point positive for Obama. In the same group, Palin shows no effect on support for McCain."

That's pretty much how the press is feeling after Palin's snipes at the "reporters and commentators." But Jack Shafer of Slate points out, "Palin's mixed message says: Please respect the privacy of my family—as I exploit them. Respect my family's privacy, but let me wrap myself in baby Trig to prove my anti-abortion stand. Question for the Commission on Presidential Debates: If you let Palin nurse Trig as she debates Joe Biden on Oct. 2 at Washington University, will you level the field by letting Biden bottle-feed one of his grandchildren?"

Paul Krugman, in the Times, warns about the politics of resentment: "One of the key insights in "Nixonland," the new book by the historian Rick Perlstein, is that Nixon's political strategy throughout his career was inspired by his college experience, in which he got himself elected student body president by exploiting his classmates' resentment against the Franklins, the school's elite social club."

Meantime, Fox News' O'Reilly Factor has started airing the Obama interview--in pieces of course--sound bytes if you will.

And what of Hillary? The QUALIFIED woman. "Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and bolstering his plan to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said Thursday." (NYTimes) Speaking of Florida, word is that McCain wants to roll out Palin too in Flroida. Did anybody else notice the hurricane headed that way? I think folks in Florida might have other stuff to worry about....

I love Helene's solution. Every time she gets upset by all this, she donates $5 to Obama's campaign. It's a form of retail therapy. You're not the only one, Obama has raised $8 million since the Palin speech. And you get a t-shirt.

So that's it, folks. GOPers have invoked "God" 43 times, and the Dems only said "God" 22 times, so Republicans win...for now....We ARE DONE with this GOP convention. Really, I'm done with it.

Look Now into the Future
Three presidential debates:
  • Friday, September 26, 2008 at the University of Mississippi's Gertrude C. Ford Center in Oxford, Mississippi, moderated by Jim Lehrer, executive editor and anchor of The NewsHour on PBS. This debate will focus on foreign policy and national Security.
  • Tuesday, October 7, 2008 at Belmont University's Curb Event Center in Nashville, Tennessee, moderated by Tom Brokaw, special correspondent for NBC News. This debate will have a town-hall meeting format.
  • Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at Hofstra University's Hofstra Arena in Hempstead, New York, moderated by Bob Schieffer, CBS News chief Washington correspondent and host of Face the Nation. This debate will focus on domestic and economic policy.
And mark your calendars for the Veep debate:
  • Thursday, October 2, 2008 at Washington University in St. Louis' Field House Gymnasium in St. Louis, Missouri, moderated by Gwen Ifill, senior correspondent on The NewsHour and moderator and managing editor of Washington Week on PBS.
I leave you with this quote:

"...there was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, 'and this will always be the man in the street.' Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology... Hatred and contempt must be directed at particular individuals."
-The Goebbels Diaries, H. Trevor-Roper (ed).

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008

Political Rant: the Daily Digest

So here's the Convention update:
George Bush was quarantined well away from the people who are trying to actually, as it were, win this election. But he got to talk--for les than ten minutes....I love the Big Brother look of this. How does the old song go...." From a distance you look like my friend, even though we are at war..."

Then to Fred Thompson. You know, I'm really thinking we should thank John McCain. He's created a HIGHLY entertaining situation in which Republican after Republican must now line up and defend this obvious disaster of a candidate. Here's what Fred came up with: "She has run a municipality and she has run a state. And I think I can say without fear of contradiction she is the only nominee in the history of either party who knows how to properly field-dress a moose." Um... yeah. I'm sure her country will be calling on her for that. Unless we can get to Polarica in China Basin or Bud's Custom Meat in Penngrove. In which case WE DON'T NEED HER.

On to old Joltin' Joe Lieberman, who likes to jump from party to party looking for the best Champagne. Here is a video-transcript of Joe Lieberman's speech at the NY Times. The advantage of taking it in this way is that the Times allow you to move around between the sections and skip it when you feel your vomit reflex curdling up. Do seek out this special line: "The Washington bureaucrats and power brokers can't build a pen strong enough to hold these two mavericks." My stomach gurgles as I type.

Obama campaign's Robert Gibbs responds that it's "a different Joe Lieberman from the one that called Barack Obama in 2006 and asked him desperately to come to Connecticut and campaign for him." Ya think?

And since Joe brought Michael Moore into this--seriously, he brought him up first!-- Michael, if you please?

More gaffe-awes: we all got a nice chuckle when RNC Co-Chair Jo Ann Davidson, extolling the virtues of our next vice president, called her Sarah...Pawlenty. (Does she know something we don't?)

Speaking of Governor Palin (say it, PAY-lin. PA-a-a-a-ay Lin) Apparently the McCain Camp's latest strategy is to fall back on -- what i that I hear? the "same old" --strategy of blaming the media for all the ills of the world. When in doubt, roll out the sputtering indignation. Apparently, says Campaign Strategist Steve Schmidt, the Big Bad Media is "on a mission to destroy" Sarah Palin. No, Steve, they're um... just doing what YOU should have done-- ask questions.

And speaking of asking questions, how's this for familiar ground: McCain' camp is so upset at Campbell Brown's brazen display of journalistic chops in asking Tucker Bounds, "Can you just tell me one decision that she made as commander and chief of the Alaskan National Guard, just one?" that McCain canceled his Larry King interview (WSJ) in retaliation.

Today, in a staunch show of "Don't Talk About The Kids," the RNC flew the poor kid who supposedly fathered Bristol Palin's child to St. Paul, and staged a photo-op with those Disgusting Media Types at the airport. But don't talk about them. But take a picture of the family. But don't talk about them. And Levi, goshdarnit, YOU WILL HOLD HER HAND!!

Okay, we need an Unintentional Humor break

McCain Campaign manager Steve Doocy: "But the other thing about [Sarah Palin], she does know about international relations because she is right up there in Alaska right next door to Russia."

Cindy McCain: "You know, the experience that she comes from is what she's done in government, and remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia."

Really? This is where you want to go with this? Ooooookay..... From Daily Kos, a reader speculates on what the Palin-Lives-Near-Russia-So-She's-A-Foreign-Policy-Expert theory of Proximity/Absorption Intelligence Design might mean:
  • Maine borders Canada, so I'm a foreign policy expert.
  • The Atlantic Ocean laps at the Maine coast, so I'm now a marine biologist and a Coast Guard Admiral.
  • I live next to a Burger King, so I'm a Chef de Cuisine.
  • I live next to the Dollar Store, so I'm qualified to chair the Federal Reserve.
  • An old lady lives next door, so I'm president of the AARP.
  • I live "next to" the moon, so I'm a NASA rocket scientist and an astronaut.
  • I live close to a church, so I'm the Pope. (Okay, a Pope)
  • There's a parking lot across the street, so I'm in line to be the next Secretary of Transportation.
  • I am a high-priced prostitute and there are...um...actually, there are no high-priced prostitutes anywhere near me.

Meanwhile... somewhere in America...

Obama is scheduled to be on Fox's O'Reilly Factor Thursday night, but for the most part the Obama Biden campaign has been awfully quiet, you say. Or...maybe...not.... While the national news media trips over themselves to cover Hurricane Sarah (And please, please, go ahead, COVER IT) Obama and Biden are quietly at work on key swing states. Apparently someone still remembers how the last two elections were "won."

I'm happy to see Obama at 50% in the national polls, but some of us remember that you can win the popular vote and still um.. wind up not being president...? Instead, I offer you Electoral maps, both left leaning and right leaning, that show Obama ahead in the electoral vote count and edging upwards toward that magical "270" number in swing states. Notice that many of them don't even give 2000-2004 problem-states Ohio and Florida to Obama. But enjoy Obama and Biden... at work out of the spotlight...

The man is a strategist, as the London Times points out. He's looking to the long haul, and things like national media attention, scrutiny of Sarah Palin, outrage over Joe Lieberman and the ramblings of Fred Thompson, while entertaining (Oh, my Lawsy, SO entertaining) don't make a difference.

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